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Post by divabard on Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:15 am

Hi!

I enjoyed playing on your server this morning. You have, in my opinion, struck the perfect balance between excitement and sustainable enjoyment. I only made it to lvl 40, today, and by the end of my session, my kill rates were slowing considerably in my solo game. My thoughts turned to MQ at that point. However, and here is the thing: I think you should decide against MQ, it ruins servers. I've just come from an MQ server, and left for precisely this reason.

All that happens on MQ servers is all the boys go off into their corners with their little army of bots. On my last server it was considered risky to box less than six toons. I was told -- box six toons and things will be easy. However, I don't want to box. Instead, I want to have fun with my chosen character. Not to spend my time manning, tanks, slowers and healers and killing my pc. I think if you can offer fun content that lets players advance solo, whilst offering a valid reason for people to raid with different content -- then you'll have found the road to Parnasus; and this game will be the better for it.

Just my thoughts,
Diva!

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Post by Plutonium on Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:53 pm

Boxing isn't very commonplace on this server, and if it happens, it's generally only a box or two for buffs or a specific spell. You can have 1 character and be entirely self-sufficient, as there are many who do so, and you can also makes friends quite easily. Lots of us only play 1 toon.

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Post by Katie1 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:55 pm

I actually agree with Divabard, with myself having started on the server quite early on and prefer to play solo without bots. This was one of the only servers to offer real soloing without modifying the world/drops, or relying on mercs/bots.

I definitely see the trend where players are now using bots to get as much of an advantage as they possibly can to be more efficient; Faster AAs, faster trash clearing, minimizing any risk of dying to bosses.

With some key buffs you suddenly become god-mode and trivialize everything because most of the content is tuned for real solo play. I've already had one boxer leap frog me in sleepers to 4 dragons because they could, after I cleared most of the way and had the nerve to basically say "it's too bad you're slow at clearing solo, deal with it."

There's also a handful of raid boss fights where being completely solo is a huge handicap like blob1 or even Nexona for example.

Let's also not forget the people who are leaving bots in zone ins to keep tabs on respawn timer patterns and lock it down so nobody else can progress.

If there's going to be any kind of competition for spawns (which Lightning has alluded to many times), then I agree with Divabard that something needs to be reworked because I don't see it working in the long run.

I really liked the server early on when there were fewer players and most people played solo or grouped up for harder encounters and players were respectful if you were clearing towards a boss etc. Not so much anymore.

It's not much of a "solo" server when it's trending towards the use of bots if you want to remain competitive.

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Post by Jazzbard on Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:10 pm

Hi Katie1,

That we me that skipped you, and I already apologized for that. I had been clearing the zone shortly before you solely for the dwarf illusion mask. I shouted out all loot on each dragon as I knew you were in the zone, and I recognize now it wasn't a very nice thing to do. In the excitement to see them on track I was just excited to see them up. Consider it a newbie mistake during my first few days on the server.

Please note I said I would help you in return to clear to anything if you ever needed help. You did not reply to me or acknowledge by offer to set things straight. I'm all for admitting my mistakes, but do not like how you are handling this so many days after it happened in game. I'm not sure how my offer to help you in the future was quoted as "deal with it."

Lastly, I do have to state that boxing has nothing to do with my ability to solo or kill. Pluto hit it right on the nose that most people box here for a missing buff as priest classes are widely underplayed. My cleric buffs others as often as he buffs myself...I'm filling a gap that few others have as I want to make this game more enjoyable. I don't think it's required to throw me under the bus when the reason I kill so fast is strategy with a solo character and nothing to do with a box that's sitting at the zone line.

I greatly enjoy the game, and will enjoy it in the future, but please avoid ranting about people on the server as the atmosphere here is very friendly. Please look me up in game next time to follow up rather than ranting about me passively online.

Thank you and please keep the server as awesome as it is!
Jazz

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Post by Katie1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:03 am

You were not in the zone before me, I was there for quite some time before you showed up and started clearing the last quarter stretch to 4D. You also didn't actually apologize, it was a non-apology.

You said you owed me one and that if I ever needed help specifically in clearing faster. You were basically rubbing it in that I cleared slow in /ooc beforehand, and you continued that arrogance in tells, that's why I didn't bother replying to your "generous" offer.

I'm sure your efficiency has nothing to do with clerics nuking for 10k and bards being broken with dirge. Let's not forget your boxed enchanter as well.

I also didn't say you were the one sitting at zone lines with bots, that was aimed at other people whom I've seen with bots at zone lines highly contested zones, yet you're here trying to say I am singling you out.

I didn't name names to avoid stirring up drama, but you decided to to come out publicly on your own volition. Don't try and frame it on me when you were the one that did the misdeed.

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Post by Jazzbard on Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:09 am

1) "shortly" means I had checked on the dragons beforehand, and they were not up. They are visible on track without having to clear nearly anything.
2) I had bypassed you in an example of clearing to a boss... I'm sorry you didn't like my wording that I would help you in a similar situation to clear faster to make up for your lost time... It wasn't arrogance, it was providing equal value to what I stole from you.
3) I did specifically say I was sorry. Once again, I AM sorry. It was a rushed decision during a limited play period I had.
4) Bard's dirge to my knowledge is on par with what any other AE spell can do. With AAs most casting classes can clear very effectively.
5) The cleric is summoned to avoid running in a wipe situation, and the enchanter was there in case of rot loots. Tactics are much more effective than boxing here...
6) It was't drama until you started stirring up bad PR about the server's population, especially bringing up me as an example. My point is you should have told me if you were so upset with my apology instead of writing a biased story about something I had apologized for and tried to right in game,
Cool I'm STILL willing to make it up to you.

Apologize to everyone else for the derail, and understood if these posts get deleted.

Thanks,
Jazz

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Post by Katie1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:38 am

I'm not going to argue with you about bards and clerics, you can disagree with my opinions on how unbalanced bards and clerics are, but you hold a biased opinion because obviously it's in your best interest they remain unchanged and broken.

I brought up the points about people using bots because again, I think it significantly detracts from what the main goal of the server is supposed to be (soloing) and will be a huge problem in the long run. This is not merely stirring up bad PR on the server population as you put it; what happened happened, I didn't fabricate or embellish it. You just really don't like what I'm suggesting because you're fighting for your own interest in this.

You're not getting forgiveness when you "apologize" but continue to berate me in an attempt to put a spin on what happened. I don't need "help" in clearing faster. I choose not to bot, therefore I clear slower. It's a solo server. I'm soloing. That's not difficult concept to understand, is it? But obviously if someone were to compete with me using bots (like you did), I'd have no chance. That's the problem I'm bringing to light.

You blitzed through while I cleared trash, all because you wanted a mask that I couldn't even use and would've been more than happy to give it to you had it dropped. In fact, I would've grouped up if you even tried to communicate, but you didn't. You instead proceeded to kill the dragons as fast as possible. You opened up the loot in /ooc, and didn't even bother communicating with me until I confronted you in /ooc about it.

Make no mistake, had you not been botting, I would've been fine with being "beaten" to the punch if you wanted to play it that way since there are really no rules or guidelines in place for playing nice. It's the fact that you were botting, and you were non-chalant about it.

My point still stands.


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Post by Plutonium on Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:02 am

Long story short, Jazz is an INCREDIBLY generous and helpful player. Jazz isn't berating you and is merely sharing opinions as you have chosen to share yours. Jazz is giving you a rather genuine apology, whether or not you choose to acknowledge that or not is up to you. Katie, you have a valid point about that being a legitimate concern, but it is not one you have encountered. In my many, many dealings with Jazz, the enchanter and cleric do nothing but sit there for purely resource purposes. You were essentially "beaten" to the punch by someone soloing (I have seen Jazz personally solo all 4), so you shouldn't be particularly upset since you yourself said you would have been fine with being beaten if someone has not been botting. Jazz has limited time to play and get stuff done, that is the nature of it. The entirety of your postings have not been productive. You could have easily constructed the nature of this post in a much more effective manner, and if boxing REALLY BECOMES a problem (which it currently isn't), John will take further action. LOTS of mobs are up all the time. That, for me, has not been an issue yet, and I'm a beastlord. We suck. Don't let misperceptions ruin your opinion of such a wonderful server.

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Post by Katie1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:31 am

Actually, his "generous" offers of rot are merely a byproduct of what he likes doing (going out and killing every boss on his to-do list), he just offers stuff he doesn't need to garner favor. I too initially thought he was generous, until he basically pulled that stunt on me. He botted to get there faster, end of story. Even if he didn't use the bots, they were there to ensure that he was fully buffed, and that should he fail, they can summon him back. So no, I still don't think he beat me to the punch fairly.

Also, my main argument is for the long-term balance and dynamics of the server. Just because you personally haven't experienced any issues in the present doesn't mean it an illegitimate problem. Wait till it becomes a problem then fix it? You mean when everybody is committed with bots, then you suddenly ban the usage of bots and watch as everybody leaves? How about set things right from the start so that doesn't become an issue later on?

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Post by Plutonium on Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:53 am

I am not even going to bother anymore. You have clearly no intention of seeing this other than what you have crafted it to be. I never said it was illegitimate. Please see my above post where I said it was a legitimate concern. People who came for the intention of solo server won't leave if boxes are banned since banning boxing does not limit content, merely makes it more challenging.

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Post by Katie1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:11 am

Plutonium wrote:I never said it was legitimate. Please see my above post where I said it was a legitimate concern. People who came for the intention of solo server won't leave if boxes are banned since banning boxing does not limit content, merely makes it more challenging.

if boxing REALLY BECOMES a problem (which it currently isn't), John will take further action.

I'll assume you meant illegitimate, otherwise you don't make any sense. You can disagree with me, but what you're trying to do is cast my opinion on bots (which is shared by the OP and I'm sure others as well) as misguided when it isn't. You did the same in the suggestion thread when someone else asked for lower respawn time due to the increase in competition. Perhaps reflect on yourself before you say I have no intentions of seeing the other side of the argument.

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Post by Plutonium on Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:17 am

You are now criticizing me simply saying I thought spawn times weren't a problem? Goodness gracious. "Yuck" is the only word that comes to mind.

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Post by Katie1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:30 am

Stick by what you said earlier and don't bother if you're going to post nonsensical garbage, then. You asked me to show you where you said my argument was illegitimate. I showed it to you.

Not only that, you can't seem to differentiate between the short and long term effects of botting on a server. I'm arguing about the long term effects, yet here you are, trying to defend by saying nothing is wrong in the short term. Do I really have to explain? I only criticize you because of your attempts to illegitimize my argument shared by the concerns from the OP, your basis is unfounded.

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Post by divabard on Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:42 am

Perhaps the subject of this post might have wandered from the original point. I just think that encouraging MQ2'ers is a mistake. I'm a programmer and can easily use the software, I have my own macro and I still use it for tracking sometimes. However, what is sad, is the way botting is ruining the game. Players now roll several characters -- none of whom they care about. These toons have names such as JimsBotA, MikesWizardNo2.

I mean, is this the kind of 'fantasy' EQ that anyone would actually like to play? In this scenario, the bigger the army of bots you can command, the better you can play.

I think Smedley's will roll and roll. It's a great creation. Nonetheless, MQ2'ing should be limited in my (very) humble opinion.

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Post by Cylex on Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:48 pm

I agree, Smedley's is a great server. I've been having a blast with the whole PoP progression, though at times it is difficult to get certain mobs for a flag. That's just part of the game.
I use mq2, in a very limited capacity. I have 1 character, and I use it to track npc's, and pc's in the group in a zone. Without it's help, I would probably never find what I need, as I am a warrior. I could box more, but I choose not to. I like concentrating on 1. Other people feel differently. It's those differences that make this game so interesting.

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Post by Woses on Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:02 pm

Arguing over senseless things creates nothing except issues that are not necessary, please, refrain from posting argumentative things that may cause an uproar server-wide. MQ2 is an optional program that is allowed to an extent, I admit, some spawn times are long, because they're mostly live-like, and John and myself have been looking in to these as they are reported, we can not fix issues such as, "It won't spawn", if you don't tell us which mob or why such a long spawn time is detrimental to the play-ability of the server. If you have any issues, you can message me here, or in game, thanks! ~Woses

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